Exclusive: NBA wants 3rd round in draft

By Chris Sheridan

VILNIUS, Lithuania — After an overnight flight connecting through Helsinki, Finland, I bumped into a scout for the Denver Nuggets near the tourist information booth at the quaint little airport here where the second round of EuroBasket is taking place. 

Whether he knows it or not, he may be here scouting future third-round draft picks.

That’s right: Third round.

SheridanHoops.com has learned that NBA owners have proposed adding a third round to the annual draft, a proposal that the players’ union has countered by offering an array of changes to the draft that would help address the owners’ desire for more competitive balance.

According to sources involved in the league’s collective bargaining discussions, the union has proposed various changes to the draft:

_ Under one proposal, the 15 teams with the worst records would continue to pick 1st through 15th, but then would also have the 16th through 30th picks. The teams with the top 15 records would have the first 15 picks of the second round, then would have the 44th through 60th picks, too. Under this proposal, the Chicago Bulls (whose 62-20 record was the league’s best last season) would have the 45th and 60th picks instead of the 30th and 30th picks. The Minnesota Timberwolves, who had the NBA’s worst record (17-65), would have their lottery pick and the 16th pick, but would no longer have the first pick of the second round — No. 31 overall.

_ Under another proposal, the teams with the eight worst records would get an additional first round pick, beginning with selection No. 22, and the teams with the eight best records would have no first-round picks but would select at the top of the second round (picks 31 through 38), then also would get the final eight picks of the second round.

There hasn’t been a third round in an NBA draft since 1988 (Anthony Mason, selected by Portland, was the most memorable pick of that third round), as the following season the draft was shortened to two rounds. The draft was seven rounds from 1985-87, and longer before that (Little-known fact: The Chicago Bulls drafted sprinter Carl Lewis in the 10th round in 1984, even though he had not played high school or college basketball. That was the same year Chicago drafted Michael Jordan No. 3 overall).

The draft negotiations have been one of the few side issues that have been discussed during the labor talks, which have centered mainly on the split of revenues between the owners and players. As reported here yesterday, the sides are closer on the money than they have been leading everyone to believe.

Labor talks will resume today in New York.

 

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  184. says

    I actually think that both of these deals are terrible. However, if I were the the players, I would accept the third round only to make the owners feel better and maybe push them into giving up something in their favor.

  185. Gerald Shields says

    I don’t know. It seems like a good idea until you realize by the time you get to the middle 2nd round, all the good talent is taken. A team might as well send a 3rd round choice to the D-League where even if they pan out, it’s 1-3 seasons. However, I think the players union can use it as a concession anyway.

  186. says

    I really like this idea, I think a team who was 30th place can rebuild faster with the 1st and 16th. I just feel like this keeps the middle of the pack teams mediocre though…

  187. blackandy says

    BTW Can NBA and NBAPA just argue on this point WHILE THE SEASON IS ON? they didnt start the season and are talking draft already? hehe

  188. blackandy says

    I think owners want to do a couple of things by adding the third round:
    1. If they get hard cap – the rookies (later then the lottery picks) have cheaper contracts then the VAT minimum… so they could fill in roster spots with those contracts (for 1 vet they can even get 3 rookies)
    2. They can use the D-League or oversee’s leagues to grind a prospect for them – minimum cash wasted for development/at least cheaper then training a guy with the main team
    3. Also the owners that have not the best teams in the NBA want a faster way to build up a squad that can actually compete, without overpaying or trading for bad contracts

    I dont know if Im right tho… first ideas that came to my mind…

  189. says

    In the 1st Proposal, the NBA is giving young, bad teams the chance to get better two ways, by loading them with higher picks. Giving the worst teams 2 “first round” picks will likely increase the amount of trades leading up to the draft, or in mid-season. Some of these awful teams would be able to add young talent, and also trade away another pick for some veteran help or a cheap up-and-comer.
    And really, another draft round is a good way to try to get even a tiny bit more talent into the league. As a Blazer fan, Wesley Matthews and even Chris Johnson (you know, to a point) are examples of players who *probably* would have been drafted if there was a 3rd round. And they are NBA players.

  190. Bill Chef says

    In the 2nd half of most NBA 1st rounds, teams are just mining for gold or grabbing an overseas prospect who’s 3 years away from playing. It’s not often the late first rounders even have a shot to make the squad that drafts them, and if they do . . . they barely play. So why not try it? The worst teams are usually several players away from competing.

    Do the 3rd round, too. Barely any of those picks would ever make a squad, but it could improve the D-League with more players under NBA team control, and it could lead to more overseas players eventually finding their way to the NBA.

    Whatever they decide to do, they just better get it done before Nov. 1.

  191. Johnny Bravo says

    This is horrible. So the way to get the league to be ‘competitive’ is to reward the horrible teams or who have horrible management, and punish the teams that are actually trying to win.

    Think about it, players in the 2nd Round are already throw away picks anyway. What’s the average, 5 players per 2nd Round that actually makes a squad? And even then, they’re sitting on the bench (maybe 1 makes the rotation).

    So instead of adding more players (via 3rd Round), just don’t give the top-15 any draft picks at all. It’s essentially what they’re proposing here.

    This once again, kills the middle class. Teams who try to compete and make the 6th-8th seeds will end up getting screwed.

    • says

      Those teams are ALREADY screwed, JB. They’re likely to get destroyed in the playoffs (particularly in the East), and then they get nothing but a mid-round (read: low-impact) player to show for it.

      • Johnny Bravo says

        Which is why the NBA should be figuring out how to reward THOSE teams. The teams that work hard and are competitive, and are 1 or 2 players away.

  192. says

    Let me get this right…the owners want to chop salaries and create a hard cap, which is significantly lower than what it is now. But they also want to add an additional round at the draft to bring in more players to the league? Am I missing something or does that not make any sense to everyone else?

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    • says

      You ARE missing something. Adding more drafted players would not necessarily increase roster size at all. Most second-rounders get non-guaranteed contracts, so it’s not like they’d be losing a lot of money in drafting and signing third-rounders, either.

  193. SEAN says

    Problem with the nba having players come out after freshman year or highschool is there not enough roster spots for players because you are stuck with 2yr guaranteed contracts and most teams 95% guaranteeing 3rd year.There not revolving door fast enough and i have notice veterans are getting kick out leauge faster becase roster spots are held by young players not developed enough to get playing time.Nba and Ncaa need to do like football and not let basketball players enter the draft until they junior yr college ends, so there revolving door of players comming and going with 3yr contracts.Ncaa has better competitive games and tournments and rookie players is more ready to start once they enter the leauge.If not option, then they need cut down guaranted contracts to top 15 teams because there too many teams with young players not ready contribute and pushing veterans out leauge that can still play.3RD round idea is waste as there 2% 2nd rounders making teams,what makes u think 3rd round has chance.I hope your information wrong because both these proposals are terrible.If you look at trend of NBA last 4 yrs,veterans are not on rosters as long as they use be because first round’s are taking up roster spots with guaranted money that cant play.It has caught up with nba 30 first rounders every year trying make15 players rosters compare 64 players in football trying make team is not same.

  194. Matt says

    Competitive balance will only improve if rules are also changed to better allow under-performing teams to keep their young players from fleeing to large-market teams when they hit their prime…such as by allowing these teams a stronger advantage in the deals that they can offer their free agents to be….

    • AzCleve says

      That was insightful. But with the competitiveness balance being eroded by the super teams, other than a hundred games a year, all the others will look like tanked games. Won’t that be great for the NBA’s viewing audience. They will lose tens of millions of viewers. Not many mature adults enjoy watching one beat down after another.

      Regards

      • ignarus says

        Not true! As long as the winning team is fun to watch, people will tune in. Great teams increase viewership among casual fans, plain and simple.

        • Johnny Bravo says

          Not when you buy a tickets, food, drinks, and then your realize the team you’re watching is only there to tank the game.

          Is that how you want to view your team/game?

  195. Knicksfan84 says

    The only way to add a third round is to FULLY create a developmental league that has no limitations on calls ups or send downs in terms of years of service or how many players you could have on a team. Each team in the league would need to field a team.

    Furthermore, remove the draft age limit. Treat it like baseball.

  196. Nick says

    Horrible ideas. Team will now have more incentive than ever to tank. Make it so that all 30 teams have a chance to win the lottery. Worst teams should have the best chance, but a team like San Antonio should not be punished for being great.

    • AzCleve says

      That is just ridiculous. Reverse order drafting has been going on since the dawn of sports. It is the only way to help the league have a competitive balance.

      Why don’t we just give all the winners first choices, and have six to 8 super teams and 22 teams that are just a stooge team. Just imagine several hundred games a year will be offer the fans nightly beat downs, and only a hundred or so games where a good game breaks out.

      Your idea is no different than rewarding the super rich with tax breaks and crushing 80% of us with increased taxes.

      Regards

  197. Buddahfan says

    These proposed changes to the draft immediately raise questions about the guaranteed contracts.

    1. In proposal #1 above do only the first thirty picks as it was under the previous CBA get guaranteed guaranteed contracts? This would mean that only the worst fifteen teams would have to pay their draft picks guaranteed contracts. So the worst teams in the league would each be stuck with two guaranteed contracts in the draft. The best fifteen teams would not have to give their draft picks a guaranteed contract.

    2. On the other hand would picks 16 – 30 not get guaranteed contracts while the picks 31 – 45 would get guaranteed contracts? That seems odd.

    3. Under the second proposal would the worst eight teams be stuck with having to give two guaranteed contracts. Historically guaranteed contracts given to picks 23 – 30 have been the worst guaranteed contracts in the first round. In fact historically many teams with picks in the bottom eight of the first round have traded those picks in order to avoid having to give guaranteed contracts.

    There are a number of other questions about how the contracts would work under both of these proposals but I will stop here.

  198. placebro says

    Pavlos – the only way to “tank” your way into two first-round picks when you were only going to have one without tanking is to “tank” your way from being a playoff team to not making the playoffs. Kind of cancels any incentive.

  199. Kenn Johnson says

    The PA’s idea won’t work without dramatic changes to the rookie wage scale. Under the current format, their proposal would give the bad teams two good prospects, but would cost them cap flexibility with guaranteed contracts. On the other end, the contenders, many of which trade out of the first round to avoid adding obligations to an already maxed salary cap, would no longer have to worry about it. Under the current system, there isn’t a single team who would prefer the 30th pick over the 31st.

    On second thought, maybe no first-round commitment would act as a reward for success.

  200. says

    Good idea but unfortunately that might have a negative affect as teams would look more and more to tank seasons since theyre going to be guaranteed 2 1st round picks!! teams were tanking when they had just 1 guaranteed high pick!!!

  201. says

    I like the idea of a 3rd round… I think it gives better chances to pickup under the radar players that make a me for themselves really quick in the NBA. Perfect example is Wes Matthews from Portland: goes undrafted, signs with the Jazz, starts half the season, averages 8 ppg, played very well in the playoffs. Then he gets a 7mill a yr contract from Portland and is making more money then any of those guys in his class. (Wes avg about 15-16 ppg this yr as the starter in Portland). another good example is Brad Miller who went undrafted.

  202. kenny says

    This puts a 12yr long debate to bed. I argued with my friend that mario elie was drafted in the 7th round of his draft. He didn’t believe me cause when we had this argument there were only two rounds. Neither of us knew the draft was 7rounds long at one point. Thanks

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  5. [...] In case you haven’t heard by now, the NBA is considering adding a third round to the draft: SheridanHoops.com has learned that NBA owners have proposed adding a third round to the annual draft, a proposal that the players’ union has countered by offering an array of changes to the draft that would help address the owners’ desire for more competitive balance. [...]

  6. [...] Among the various issues at stake in the lockout — distribution of basketball-related income (BRI), a hard or soft cap, and revenue sharing — it is sometimes easy to overlook the fact in CBA negotiations nothing is sacrosanct, and literally every assumption of how the NBA operates can be changed during the course of a single negotiating season. This apparently was the case at some point this last week or so, as the owners proposed a significant change to the draft process, namely adding a third round, which harkens back to the pre-1988 format in which the draft contained a NFL-esque seven rounds, after which the draft contained three rounds in 1988 and the modern two round system in 1989. Writing from his new perch at SheridanHoops, former ESPN and AP writer Chris Sheridan has the scoop: [...]

  7. [...] Under another proposal, the teams with the eight worst records would get an additional first round pick, beginning with selection No. 22, and the teams with the eight best records would have no first-round picks but would select at the top of the second round (picks 31 through 38), then also would get the final eight picks of the second round. -Source [...]

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